AW: [Dini-ag-kim-bestandsdaten] Definition and scope of Holding

Wed Apr 24 19:39:36 CEST 2013

Hi Owen and everyone else!

Thank you for your note and the link. 

I think you are absolutely right. A holding description should not be confused with a Collection Level Description.

On the website I found this levels listing of the granularity of library metadata [1]. And surely we have to deal with level 6 and 7. And that for my definition is misleading.

Like Jörg earlier said we should consider the 'notion of "units" in an item' (see level 7). This is what I was trying to express with "collection of items". But I was wrong with what I thought an item actually is.

What I had in mind was our holding description of a Periodical. We do not describe one "issue" but a bunch of "issues". So I thought: issue = item and issues = collection of items. But this is obviously wrong. It's more like item = entity. And an item can have zero, one or more units.

So I like to change my holding definition. I discard "a collection of items" to the favour of an item, which (I learned now) can consist of units. I also like to add an 'or', which makes the 'inventory information' optional (in case someone only describes the access to an item):

"A description of one agents inventory information and/or access information for an item."

Cheers!

Carsten

[1] <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data#Granularity_of_library_metadata>

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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dini-ag-kim-bestandsdaten-bounces at lists.d-nb.de [mailto:dini-ag-kim-
> bestandsdaten-bounces at lists.d-nb.de] Im Auftrag von Owen Stephens
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. April 2013 11:32
> An: dini-ag-kim-bestandsdaten at lists.d-nb.de
> Betreff: Re: [Dini-ag-kim-bestandsdaten] Definition and scope of Holding
> 
> Two of the definitions proposed on the wiki
> (https://wiki.dnb.de/display/DINIAGKIM/Definition+of+Holding) include the
> concept that a 'holding' can describe not just a single resource/document
> but a collection or group of resources/documents/items
> 
> "Group of data elements describing one institution's copies of a
> bibliographic resource or group of like or similar bibliographic
> resources"
> Carsten: "A description of one agents inventory and access information for
> a item or collection of items."
> 
> This makes me wonder about the relation between Holdings and Collection
> Level Descriptions. It might be worth looking at Gordon Dunsire's work on
> CLD Use Case for the W3C LLD incubator
> 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_Collection-
> Level_Description
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
> Owen Stephens
> Owen Stephens Consulting
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> Email: owen at ostephens.com
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> 
> On 24 Apr 2013, at 08:48, Philipp Zumstein <philipp.zumstein at bib.uni-
> mannheim.de> wrote:
> 
> > Hi *,
> >
> > I see three different aspects for "holding":
> > 1) general holding information
> > 2) service portfolio
> > 3) current status
> >
> > Examples for 1) are call number, location on a shelf, bill number,
> acquisition date, corresponding title, and "owner" of an item.
> >
> > Examples for 2) are: on spot consultation, borrow for 3 weeks with
> possible extension, copy/scan service, inter-library loan. Moreover, most
> of the services are restricted to some persons (e.g. students, faculty,
> libraries) and they may also be restricted to a time period (e.g. duration
> of an exposition, or PDF with DRM).
> >
> > Examples for 3) are: available/not available, on the loan, stolen, not
> on the shelf, loan possible at the moment?.
> >
> >
> > It would be nice to model all three aspects. Also it might be a
> challenge to give up-to-date information for aspect 3). By the way, I
> think with most of the "holding" definition are not perfect. For example
> with patron driven acquisition (PDA), you are not "holding" the items (you
> haven't bought the ebooks yet), still you provide a service to your users.
> Another example is a database, which you are not the owner of, but still
> you provide a service to your costumer (maybe for a limited time).
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Philipp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 22.04.2013 13:14, schrieb Klee, Carsten:
> >> Hi everyone!
> >>
> >> I would like to keep the discussion ongoing. Maybe we can discuss the
> definition and scope of a holding al little bit more.
> >>
> >> Just a reminder: I created a wiki page [1] about the definition of a
> holding. Till now there is still one definition from the ISO 20775, which
> is very a library definition.
> >>
> >> I would like to suggest another one, hoping this one is more abstract:
> >>
> >> Holding: A description of one agents inventory and access information
> for a item or collection of items.
> >>
> >> I chose 'agent' because of foaf:Agent [2], which subsumes Organisation,
> Group and Person. With 'inventory' I'm not sure, but the word 'holding' in
> a definition of 'holding' seems to be bad. Then I chose 'item' not
> 'document'. Item relates to frbr:Item [3] but I'm not totally sure about
> this.
> >>
> >> Now about the scope of holding. Owen Stephens asked earlier if we're
> going "[...] represent solely the ownership of things by a library (or
> other organisation/person) or some other aspects (such as their current
> location which could include 'on loan to person X')".
> >>
> >> I would like to suggest that we stick with the idea of micro-
> ontologies. Meaning: If possible and applicable move every complex aspect
> to another ontology. And I think the information 'on loan to person X' is
> such an aspect. But this is just my thought about this. As I said, maybe
> we can come to a discussion about it.
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >>
> >> Carsten
> >>
> >> [1] <https://wiki.dnb.de/display/DINIAGKIM/Definition+of+Holding>
> >> [2] <http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_Agent>
> >> [3] <http://vocab.org/frbr/core.html#Item>
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> >>
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