AW: [Dini-ag-kim-bestandsdaten] Definition and scope of Holding

[Klee, Carsten]

Hi Philipp and everyone else,

I like your differentiation. I was going to propose a different one, but yours convinced me.

I would like to add another wiki page with a table where more properties like your examples can be listed.

If we continue to collect "real world holding entities" like in [1] maybe we can check if/how these entities fit to your aspects.

About the holding definition: 
I'm confused because of your "patron driven acquisition (PDA)" argument. I don't know anything about PDA, but isn't that like saying: "We don't own this title, but if you are interested, we can buy it."? So what is the relation to holdings description?

Further I can't find a contradiction of the description of access to a database and my holding definition. I'm not saying that my definition is perfect. I will comment this later in response to other posts. But if I fill out my definition like a template with this concrete example, it could read like: "A description of a library's [...] access information for a database." Does this make sense?

Cheers!

Carsten
 

[1] <https://wiki.dnb.de/display/DINIAGKIM/Holding+Entities>
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Carsten Klee
Abt. Überregionale Bibliographische Dienste IIE
Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin - Preußischer Kulturbesitz

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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: dini-ag-kim-bestandsdaten-bounces at lists.d-nb.de [mailto:dini-ag-kim-
> bestandsdaten-bounces at lists.d-nb.de] Im Auftrag von Philipp Zumstein
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. April 2013 09:48
> An: dini-ag-kim-bestandsdaten at lists.d-nb.de
> Betreff: Re: [Dini-ag-kim-bestandsdaten] Definition and scope of Holding
> 
> Hi *,
> 
> I see three different aspects for "holding":
> 1) general holding information
> 2) service portfolio
> 3) current status
> 
> Examples for 1) are call number, location on a shelf, bill number,
> acquisition date, corresponding title, and "owner" of an item.
> 
> Examples for 2) are: on spot consultation, borrow for 3 weeks with
> possible extension, copy/scan service, inter-library loan. Moreover,
> most of the services are restricted to some persons (e.g. students,
> faculty, libraries) and they may also be restricted to a time period
> (e.g. duration of an exposition, or PDF with DRM).
> 
> Examples for 3) are: available/not available, on the loan, stolen, not
> on the shelf, loan possible at the moment?.
> 
> 
> It would be nice to model all three aspects. Also it might be a
> challenge to give up-to-date information for aspect 3). By the way, I
> think with most of the "holding" definition are not perfect. For example
> with patron driven acquisition (PDA), you are not "holding" the items
> (you haven't bought the ebooks yet), still you provide a service to your
> users. Another example is a database, which you are not the owner of,
> but still you provide a service to your costumer (maybe for a limited
> time).
> 
> Best regards,
> Philipp
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am 22.04.2013 13:14, schrieb Klee, Carsten:
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I would like to keep the discussion ongoing. Maybe we can discuss the
> definition and scope of a holding al little bit more.
> >
> > Just a reminder: I created a wiki page [1] about the definition of a
> holding. Till now there is still one definition from the ISO 20775, which
> is very a library definition.
> >
> > I would like to suggest another one, hoping this one is more abstract:
> >
> > Holding: A description of one agents inventory and access information
> for a item or collection of items.
> >
> > I chose 'agent' because of foaf:Agent [2], which subsumes Organisation,
> Group and Person. With 'inventory' I'm not sure, but the word 'holding' in
> a definition of 'holding' seems to be bad. Then I chose 'item' not
> 'document'. Item relates to frbr:Item [3] but I'm not totally sure about
> this.
> >
> > Now about the scope of holding. Owen Stephens asked earlier if we're
> going "[...] represent solely the ownership of things by a library (or
> other organisation/person) or some other aspects (such as their current
> location which could include 'on loan to person X')".
> >
> > I would like to suggest that we stick with the idea of micro-ontologies.
> Meaning: If possible and applicable move every complex aspect to another
> ontology. And I think the information 'on loan to person X' is such an
> aspect. But this is just my thought about this. As I said, maybe we can
> come to a discussion about it.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Carsten
> >
> > [1] <https://wiki.dnb.de/display/DINIAGKIM/Definition+of+Holding>
> > [2] <http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_Agent>
> > [3] <http://vocab.org/frbr/core.html#Item>
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