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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear all,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank you very much for your helpful input! Pawel and I have answered your comments in the document and made some changes
to the document. Please take a look and let us know if you have any other concerns, possibly by the end of the week.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#44546A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We want to use our next meeting of the AG Legal on September, 30<sup>th</sup> to finalise the Agreement. We want to encourage
everyone to come to the meeting. We promised Philippe to be done by the end of the month, so it is the final countdown. ;)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paweł Kamocki [mailto:kamocki@ids-mannheim.de]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 11. September 2025 09:53<br>
<b>An:</b> Christof Schöch <schoech@uni-trier.de><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Calvo Tello, Jose <calvotello@sub.uni-goettingen.de>; Genêt, Philippe <P.Genet@dnb.de>; tp-legal@lists.dnb.de; Du, Keli <duk@uni-trier.de>; Iacino, Gianna <G.Iacino@dnb.de>; Trippel, Thorsten <trippel@ids-mannheim.de>; welsch@badw.de; Witt, Andreas
<witt@ids-mannheim.de><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: AW: Data Depositing Agreement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Just to add my three cents to the discussion: I think a contract like this should try to create a fair balance between the parties. If there are natural differences in their situations, the contract should help to even them out a bit.<o:p></o:p></p>
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In practice, the archive often finds itself in a weaker position. Even when both sides are public research institutions, hosting data still brings costs and risks. To keep things fair, some of these risks need to be shared with, or even shifted towards, the
depositor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Another point is that archives are an essential part of the research infrastructure. If they are not told, “this is just a small service, you risk very little”, they may not be motivated to participate, and withot strong archives, the infrastructure as a whole
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That’s why I suggested placing a somewhat bigger share of responsibility on depositors when drafting the contract. Of course, the flip side is that if the terms feel too heavy, depositors may be discouraged—which isn’t good for the infrastructure either.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Finally, I agree it might be helpful to soften the wording a little without changing the actual balance of responsibilities. As a lawyer, I’m used to contracts being written in very clear, no-nonsense terms, but I see your point that these contracts will often
be read by non-lawyers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Kind regards,<br>
Paweł<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 11 Sept 2025 at 09:08, Christof Schöch <<a href="mailto:schoech@uni-trier.de">schoech@uni-trier.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Dear all, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks for this. I've read the document and made a few comments. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It is true that this reads quite sternly and places a large and very explicit burden of responsibility and liability on the researchers. It would be useful to check where the language can be made a little less threatening.
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<p>Compare this with Zenodo (one alternative to a deposit with Text+ that many in DH use). They handle things with a "terms of use" document –
<a href="https://about.zenodo.org/terms/" target="_blank">https://about.zenodo.org/terms/</a> – but no service-level agreements, no individual documents signed. Similarly clear with respect to the liability of the researchers (#3), but certainly a lot less
stern. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best wishes, <br>
Christof <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10.09.25 12:03, Calvo Tello, Jose wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Liebe Runde,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">ich habe mich vor ein paar Monaten in einem Treffen mit Gianna und Pawel zu dritt geäußert, dass ein solcher Vertrag sehr strenge Ansprüche an die Forschenden stellt und dies oft
dazu führen kann, dass die Leute ihre Daten entweder gar nicht oder nicht bei uns veröffentlichen.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Liebe Grüße<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">José<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:P.Genet@dnb.de" target="_blank"><P.Genet@dnb.de></a> <br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 8. September 2025 10:48<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:tp-legal@lists.dnb.de" target="_blank">tp-legal@lists.dnb.de</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Calvo Tello, Jose <a href="mailto:calvotello@sub.uni-goettingen.de" target="_blank">
<calvotello@sub.uni-goettingen.de></a>; Du, Keli <a href="mailto:duk@uni-trier.de" target="_blank">
<duk@uni-trier.de></a>; Iacino, Gianna <a href="mailto:g.iacino@dnb.de" target="_blank">
<g.iacino@dnb.de></a>; Kamocki, Paweł <a href="mailto:kamocki@ids-mannheim.de" target="_blank">
<kamocki@ids-mannheim.de></a>; Schöch, Christof <a href="mailto:schoech@uni-trier.de" target="_blank">
<schoech@uni-trier.de></a>; Trippel, Thorsten <a href="mailto:trippel@ids-mannheim.de" target="_blank">
<trippel@ids-mannheim.de></a>; '<a href="mailto:welsch@badw.de" target="_blank">welsch@badw.de</a>'
<a href="mailto:welsch@badw.de" target="_blank"><welsch@badw.de></a>; Witt, Andreas
<a href="mailto:witt@ids-mannheim.de" target="_blank"><witt@ids-mannheim.de></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Data Depositing Agreement<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">since it seems we are experiencing problems with the AG Legal mailing list (again!), I hereby forward
you Gianna’s mail and CC all of you – just to be sure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">wir möchte gerne das Data Depositing Agreement zeitnah finalisieren, da das Deliverable C4.3 auf das DDA Bezug nehmen
wird und bis Ende Oktober fertig gestellt werden muss. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Wir schlagen deshalb eine Abstimmung im Umlaufverfahren vor. Wenn ihr mit dem DDA, das ihr
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z6mVy_DjthN_OkXq8z9_hHhBTAzF84g4vV04REfY8Vw/edit?tab=t.0" target="_blank">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">hier</span></a> finden könnt, zufrieden seid, dann müsst ihr nichts weiter tun. Wenn ihr allerdings noch Änderungswünsche habt, dann bitten wir euch uns diese bis
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Montag, den 15. September 2025</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> mitzuteilen.
Wenn bis dahin keine Änderungswünsche eingehen, werten wir euer Schweigen als begeisterte Zustimmung zur fantastischen Arbeit von Pawel und mir.
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">J</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Vielen Dank und herzliche Grüße<br>
Gianna <br>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Philippe Genêt</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Prof. Dr. Christof Schöch</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
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Professor for Digital Humanities, FB II <br>
Co-Director, Trier Center for Digital Humanities <br>
<img border="0" width="190" height="56" id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image002.jpg@01DC2706.053E5390" alt="Trier University, Germany"><br>
<a href="https://dh.uni-trier.de" target="_blank">https://dh.uni-trier.de</a> <br>
<a href="https://tcdh.uni-trier.de" target="_blank">https://tcdh.uni-trier.de</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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