<div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br>Just to add my three cents to the discussion: I think a contract like this should try to create a fair balance between the parties. If there are natural differences in their situations, the contract should help to even them out a bit.</div><div><br>In practice, the archive often finds itself in a weaker position. Even when both sides are public research institutions, hosting data still brings costs and risks. To keep things fair, some of these risks need to be shared with, or even shifted towards, the depositor.</div><div><br>Another point is that archives are an essential part of the research infrastructure. If they are not told, “this is just a small service, you risk very little”, they may not be motivated to participate, and withot strong archives, the infrastructure as a whole cannot thrive.</div><div><br>That’s why I suggested placing a somewhat bigger share of responsibility on depositors when drafting the contract. Of course, the flip side is that if the terms feel too heavy, depositors may be discouraged—which isn’t good for the infrastructure either.</div><div><br>Finally, I agree it might be helpful to soften the wording a little without changing the actual balance of responsibilities. As a lawyer, I’m used to contracts being written in very clear, no-nonsense terms, but I see your point that these contracts will often be read by non-lawyers.</div><div><br>Kind regards,<br>Paweł<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 11 Sept 2025 at 09:08, Christof Schöch <<a href="mailto:schoech@uni-trier.de">schoech@uni-trier.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Dear all, <br>
</p>
<p>Thanks for this. I've read the document and made a few comments. </p>
<p>It is true that this reads quite sternly and places a large and
very explicit burden of responsibility and liability on the
researchers. It would be useful to check where the language can be
made a little less threatening. <br>
</p>
<p>Compare this with Zenodo (one alternative to a deposit with Text+
that many in DH use). They handle things with a "terms of use"
document – <a href="https://about.zenodo.org/terms/" target="_blank">https://about.zenodo.org/terms/</a> – but no service-level
agreements, no individual documents signed. Similarly clear with
respect to the liability of the researchers (#3), but certainly a
lot less stern. <br>
</p>
<p>Best wishes, <br>
Christof <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>On 10.09.25 12:03, Calvo Tello, Jose
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Liebe Runde,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ich habe mich vor ein paar Monaten in einem
Treffen mit Gianna und Pawel zu dritt geäußert, dass ein
solcher Vertrag sehr strenge Ansprüche an die Forschenden
stellt und dies oft dazu führen kann, dass die Leute ihre
Daten entweder gar nicht oder nicht bei uns veröffentlichen.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Liebe Grüße<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">José<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Von:</span></b><span> Genêt, Philippe
<a href="mailto:P.Genet@dnb.de" target="_blank"><P.Genet@dnb.de></a>
<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 8. September 2025 10:48<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:tp-legal@lists.dnb.de" target="_blank">tp-legal@lists.dnb.de</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Calvo Tello, Jose
<a href="mailto:calvotello@sub.uni-goettingen.de" target="_blank"><calvotello@sub.uni-goettingen.de></a>; Du, Keli
<a href="mailto:duk@uni-trier.de" target="_blank"><duk@uni-trier.de></a>; Iacino, Gianna
<a href="mailto:g.iacino@dnb.de" target="_blank"><g.iacino@dnb.de></a>; Kamocki, Paweł
<a href="mailto:kamocki@ids-mannheim.de" target="_blank"><kamocki@ids-mannheim.de></a>; Schöch, Christof
<a href="mailto:schoech@uni-trier.de" target="_blank"><schoech@uni-trier.de></a>; Trippel, Thorsten
<a href="mailto:trippel@ids-mannheim.de" target="_blank"><trippel@ids-mannheim.de></a>; '<a href="mailto:welsch@badw.de" target="_blank">welsch@badw.de</a>'
<a href="mailto:welsch@badw.de" target="_blank"><welsch@badw.de></a>; Witt, Andreas
<a href="mailto:witt@ids-mannheim.de" target="_blank"><witt@ids-mannheim.de></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Data Depositing Agreement<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Dear
all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">since
it seems we are experiencing problems with the AG Legal
mailing list (again!), I hereby forward you Gianna’s mail
and CC all of you – just to be sure.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Philippe<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Liebe
Kolleg*innen,
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">wir
möchte gerne das Data Depositing Agreement zeitnah
finalisieren, da das Deliverable C4.3 auf das DDA Bezug
nehmen wird und bis Ende Oktober fertig gestellt werden
muss.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Wir
schlagen deshalb eine Abstimmung im Umlaufverfahren vor.
Wenn ihr mit dem DDA, das ihr
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z6mVy_DjthN_OkXq8z9_hHhBTAzF84g4vV04REfY8Vw/edit?tab=t.0" target="_blank">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">hier</span></a>
finden könnt, zufrieden seid, dann müsst ihr nichts weiter
tun. Wenn ihr allerdings noch Änderungswünsche habt, dann
bitten wir euch uns diese bis
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Montag,
den 15. September 2025</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">
mitzuteilen. Wenn bis dahin keine Änderungswünsche eingehen,
werten wir euer Schweigen als begeisterte Zustimmung zur
fantastischen Arbeit von Pawel und mir.
</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Wingdings">J</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Vielen
Dank und herzliche Grüße<br>
Gianna <br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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– Justiziariat, Zentrale Vergabestelle<br>
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<div>-- <br>
<div>
<div> <small>
<p><b> Prof. Dr. Christof Schöch</b> <br>
Professor for Digital Humanities, FB II <br>
Co-Director, Trier Center for Digital Humanities <br>
<img src="cid:ii_19937b1c030315cbffb1" alt="Trier University, Germany" width="190"> <br>
<a href="https://dh.uni-trier.de" target="_blank">https://dh.uni-trier.de</a>
<br>
<a href="https://tcdh.uni-trier.de" target="_blank">https://tcdh.uni-trier.de</a></p>
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</blockquote></div><div><br clear="all"></div><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Pawel Kamocki</div><div>Leibniz-Institut für Deutsche Sprache</div><div>Telefon: +49-1581-466</div><div>Mobil: +33 668076550</div></div></div>