<div dir="ltr">Dear Philippe, all,<div><br></div><div>I knew that great minds think alike!</div><div><br></div><div>For now, I just need a green light from the group (in particular from those who contributed to the deliverable, but I interpret their silence as consent :)) to re-use the deliverable for a new submission. I will take it from there with my CLIC colleagues. However, the journal is likely to have comments, at which point I may need some input from the AG. But we will cross this bridge when we come to it, won't we.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Paweł</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 at 14:59, Genêt, Philippe <<a href="mailto:P.Genet@dnb.de">P.Genet@dnb.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg3189970741805736028">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Dear Paweł,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">thanks for your suggestions!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_3189970741805736028MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><span>1.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">I just spoke to Peter about the LLLD-publication (he wants to reach out to Benjamin Raue about a possible publication
in Recht & Zugang). We both don’t see anything that would hinder parallel publication in both journals. So: green lights from our side. Do you need any help or can you handle the additional input with your CLIC colleagues?<br>
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<p class="m_3189970741805736028MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)"><span>2.<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">I agree on all three points. A quick one-pager about LLM-training would be very valuable material e.g. for the
web portal. And a paper about the CARE principles would also fill a gap that became very obvious to the Zwischenbericht writing group. And, finally, I totally agree with not imposing a new data transfer agreement. Guidelines, a checklist or even good practice
examples (by Text+ Centres, if possible) would do the trick (and serve as very helpful content for our website, too).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Seems to me that this traces the path ahead, doesn’t it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Paweł Kamocki [mailto:<a href="mailto:kamocki@ids-mannheim.de" target="_blank">kamocki@ids-mannheim.de</a>]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 22. Oktober 2024 15:33<br>
<b>An:</b> Genêt, Philippe <<a href="mailto:P.Genet@dnb.de" target="_blank">P.Genet@dnb.de</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:tp-legal@lists.dnb.de" target="_blank">tp-legal@lists.dnb.de</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Tp-legal] REMINDER: Nächste Sitzung der AG Legal am 22. Oktober<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Philippe, dear all,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After our meeting today, I suggest the following actions:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. Regarding the publication of the deliverable: "Recht und Zugang" is good, but I may have an alternative idea (not necessarily mutually exclusive with "Recht und Zugang"). Darja Fiser, the director of CLARIN, brought this call for papers
to my attention: <a href="https://ojs.letras.up.pt/index.php/LLLD/announcement/view/158" target="_blank">https://ojs.letras.up.pt/index.php/LLLD/announcement/view/158</a>. It was advertised via the Corpora list and I suppose the special issue will attract quite a large readership
(or, shall I say, viewership) in the community. The desired length (7000-8000 words) is almost exactly the length of our deliverable (ca. 8500 with references). However, to be interesting to a broader audience, the paper should include some comparative law
(perspectives from other national laws). I thought that maybe some members of the CLARIN Legal Issues Committee could help us out, and together we could turn this into a joint CLARIN/Text+ paper. What do you think? Hopefully, the CLIC people could do most
of the work required to turn it into an acceptable submission for this call (which I assume is not much anyway). The deadline is November 15, which is tight, but feasible (if the task is simply adapting an existing paper).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. Regarding our future work, I suggest we publish a short (no more than 1 page) statement on LLM training under the TDM exception, also to counteract an opposing view which is gaining some traction in our community. Why just a short statement
and not a full deliverable? The area is evolving so fast that if we take the next 6 months to prepare a deliverable, it will already be outdated (e.g., the legal aspects of training data regurgitation only started being seriously discussed this year -- next
months will certainly bring new subjects). We could hopefully finalise it by our next meeting in November.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our next deliverable, as suggested by Gianna and José (and supported by all those present at the meeting) could be on the CARE principles (BTW, there is an ELSA Working Group on CARE principles, too, which we could liaise with).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are more sceptical about the feasability of templates for data transfer agreements, and for several reasons: 1) (some) institutions already have their templates which they are not willing to abandon; 2) every data transfer situation
is different and aiming at a one-size-fits-all template could oversimplify complex cases or over-complicate simple cases; 3) last but not least, drafting a template is a purely legal task, and the strength of our AG is in bringing together legal and technical
skills. With that said, we could adopt some guidelines (or checklists) for data transfers.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know what you think.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 at 07:14, Genêt, Philippe <<a href="mailto:P.Genet@dnb.de" target="_blank">P.Genet@dnb.de</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span>findet statt am kommenden <b>Dienstag, den 2<span style="color:black">2</span>.
<span style="color:black">Oktober </span>2024, um 11 Uhr</b> in diesem Zoom-Raum:
<a href="https://zoom.us/j/93357206007?pwd=SVVDNFFyTTJkYmp3cGlKeElTS3JqUT09" target="_blank">
<span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://zoom.us/j/93357206007?pwd=SVVDNFFyTTJkYmp3cGlKeElTS3JqUT09</span></a>
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</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Deliverable<span style="color:black"> C2.3 (<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LOXBVQ5tTfGTdvkF3rk8abZgVd3DvfzPrbN8XEfkBYU/edit" target="_blank">hier</a>) final sein. Dazu eine
Info, weil Peter und ich nicht dabei sein können: Peter wollte Benjamin Raue ansprechen, ob das Deliverable in der „Recht und Zugang“ veröffentlicht werden kann. Diese Info würde ich gerne noch abwarten, bevor ich das Dokument woanders (Zenodo, z.B.) hochlade.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">Und zwei Anregungen:
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</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">Auf dem Plenary waren LLMs das Schwerpunktthema – gibt es hier vielleicht Bedarf an rechtlicher/ethischer Unterstützung durch die AG Legal?
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</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">Und wie steht es mit Datenübernahmevereinbarungen – wäre eine Art Mustervertrag für die Text+ Zentren sinnvoll/machbar?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Ich wäre dankbar, wenn jemand die Ergebnisse der
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