<div dir="ltr">Dear Gianna,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for your answer.</div><div><br></div><div>This is what I thought as well, after having a glance at the UrhG. But still, prima facie it has an impact on Text+ and I will include this in the assessment (which, BTW, is simply about the impact of the DSM Directive on Text+ Collections, that's all when it comes to the scope). We still have to show that we have taken this into account, even if in fact the measure has little or no impact on Text+.</div><div><br></div><div>Is there anything else in the DSM Directive you can think of? Maybe we should still include Article 17 of the Directive, even though not-for-profit scientific repositories like the one provided by Text+ are expressly included from its scope (Art. 2(6))...?</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Paweł</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 10 May 2023 at 15:17, Iacino, Gianna <<a href="mailto:G.Iacino@dnb.de">G.Iacino@dnb.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-2465835429306800768">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">I am not fully informed about the scope of the deliverable yet. Therefore, I do not want to discourage you from including „out-of-commerce
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">However, I do not share your enthusiasm about „out-of-commerce works“. § 61d only applies in cases in which no representative collecting
society excists as stated in § 61d para 1 s. 1. Here, VG Wort is a representative collecting society. A prerequisite for the use of „out-of-commerce works“ is the acquisition of an extended collective license for „out-of-commerce works“.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">I will ask my colleagues about DNBs practice regarding the acquisition and the scope of such licenses.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Gianna<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Tp-legal [mailto:<a href="mailto:tp-legal-bounces@lists.dnb.de" target="_blank">tp-legal-bounces@lists.dnb.de</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Leinen, Peter<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 10. Mai 2023 11:48<br>
<b>An:</b> 'Paweł Kamocki' <<a href="mailto:kamocki@ids-mannheim.de" target="_blank">kamocki@ids-mannheim.de</a>>; <a href="mailto:Tp-legal@lists.dnb.de" target="_blank">Tp-legal@lists.dnb.de</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">Good point.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">From my point of view, we should pay particular attention to the "out-of-commerce works".
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(68,84,106)">I can say little or nothing about §87.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Pawel Kamocki<br>
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<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:Tp-legal@lists.dnb.de" target="_blank">Tp-legal@lists.dnb.de</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [Tp-legal] Text+ deliverable on the DSM Directive<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">During our meeting on Monday we discussed our deliverable on the impact of the DSM directive on Collections. I focussed our attention on the TDM exception(s), but it might have been short-sighted. In fact, there are other provisions in
the DSM directive and its German transposition (<a href="https://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start.xav?startbk=Bundesanzeiger_BGBl&start=//*%5b@attr_id=%27bgbl121s1204.pdf%27%5d#__bgbl__%2F%2F*%5B%40attr_id%3D%27bgbl121s1204.pdf%27%5D__1683709129567" target="_blank">https://www.bgbl.de/xaver/bgbl/start.xav?startbk=Bundesanzeiger_BGBl&start=//*%5b@attr_id=%27bgbl121s1204.pdf%27%5d#__bgbl__%2F%2F*%5B%40attr_id%3D%27bgbl121s1204.pdf%27%5D__1683709129567</a>)
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Do you think that we should include those as well? If so, I would welcome some thoughts from the DNB on the use of out-of-commerce works, as I have no experience with this framework. Or shall we just concentrate on TDM?<u></u><u></u></p>
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