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<p>Sehr geehrte Frau Wiesenmüller,</p>
<p>eine Antwort wie diese erinnert mich irgendwie an Heines Gedicht
<i>Erinnerung aus Krähwinkels Schreckenstagen:</i></p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/pommeren/Gedichte/HeineNachlese/kraehw.htm">https://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/pommeren/Gedichte/HeineNachlese/kraehw.htm</a></p>
<p>so nach dem Motto: <i>Vertrauet Eurem Magistrat ...</i><br>
</p>
<p><br>
Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
<br>
Gerd Witte<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 21.03.2017 um 18:19 schrieb
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rda-info-liste@lists.dnb.de">rda-info-liste@lists.dnb.de</a>:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:849433847.26706.1490116788503@ox.hdm-stuttgart.de"
type="cite">
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<p>Lieber Herr Witte,<br>
</p>
<p>vielen Dank für Ihre Hinweise.<br>
</p>
<p>Und keine Sorge: Es beschäftigen sich bereits SpezialistInnen
im D-A-CH-Raum mit diesen Fragen, nämlich die KollegInnen von
der neu eingesetzten AG Bild. Die haben mich auch auf die
Problematik aufmerksam gemacht (Sie werden das Beispiel aus dem
Lehrbuch vielleicht erkannt haben). Im Moment geht es mir nur
darum zu erfahren, wie die amerikanischen KollegInnen damit
umgehen und wie sie die m.E. etwas merkwürdigen RDA-Regeln in
diesem Bereich einschätzen. Etwaige Erkenntnisse werden
natürlich in die hiesige Diskussion einfließen.<br>
</p>
<p>Viele Grüße<br>
Heidrun Wiesenmüller<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite">Biblothek OKR Oldb
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:witte.gerd@gmx.de"><witte.gerd@gmx.de></a> hat am 21. März 2017 um 17:47
geschrieben:<br>
<br>
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-cite-prefix"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Sehr
geehrte Frau <span class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_diagnostic"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_format_d"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_isbd"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_expanded">Wiesenmüller,</span></span></span></span><br>
<br>
<span class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_diagnostic"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_format_d"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_isbd"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_expanded"> schade, dass Sie
das Thema der Verfasserschaft von Graphi<span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">ken
</span>nicht in Deutschland diskutieren, den<span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">n
<span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">m<span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">ich interessiert
</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_diagnostic"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_format_d"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_isbd"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_expanded"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_diagnostic"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_format_d"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_isbd"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_expanded">schon
auch die Meinung von Kollginnen und
Kollegen in dt.-sprachigen Bibliotheken<span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">, vor allen
Dingen natürlich der </span>Kunst- und
Museumsbibliotheken.</span></span></span></span></span><br>
<span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><br>
Und da Ihre Frag<span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">e</span> <span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">i</span></span>n
der amerikan. rda-Liste<span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"> i<span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">ns
Hintertreffen geraten ist, weil gerade <span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">tüchtig
hin- und herphilosophiert wird, o<span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">b die
Katze (Socks)<span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"> der<span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">
Clint<span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">ons
<span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">geistiger
Schöpfer sein kann (<span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">eine
Frage, die die Welt bewegt<span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">
...</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span>),
möchte ich <span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">einige<span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"> <span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Hinweise an die</span></span></span>
deutsch<span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">-<span
style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">spr.</span></span>
Liste </span></span></span></span></span>schicken.<br>
<br>
<span class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_diagnostic"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_format_d"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_isbd"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_expanded">In einem
amerikanischen Regelwerk DCRM(G): Descriptive
Cataloging of Rare Materials (Graphics) </span></span></span></span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="https://rbms.info/dcrm/dcrmg/"><https://rbms.info/dcrm/dcrmg/></a>
ist unter F1.3. Main and Added Entry Choices S. 168 ff zu
lesen:<br>
<br>
Material: Lithograph with named lithographer, artist, and
printer<br>
Main entry: Lithographer<br>
Added entry: Artist and printer<br>
<br>
Gibt es im D-A-CH-Raum etwas vergleichbares?<br>
<br>
Entsprechend würde ich Ihr Beispiel<br>
</span>
<blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Here is an example:<br>
</span> <span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/purl/bsz356825272/page/1">http://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/purl/bsz356825272/page/1</a><br>
</span> <span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">The small text underneath the
picture reads:<br>
"Gemalt von Gustav Steinkopf" (painted by Gustav
Steinkopf)<br>
"Gedr. v. G. Küstner" (printed by G. Küstner)<br>
"Auf Stein gez. v. E. Emminger" (drawn on stone by E.
Emminger)</span></blockquote>
<span style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><br>
auch mit RDA so umsetzen:<br>
<br>
Emminger, Eberhard,</span><span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;">1808-1885</span></span></span>:<br>
Das königliche Landhaus Rosenstein : vom Würtembergischen
Kunst-Verein / gemalt von Gustav Steinkopf ; Gedr. v. G.
Küstner ; Auf Stein gez. v. E. Emminger. - [Stuttgart] :
Küstner, [1835?]. - 1 Lithographie. ; 46,3 x 60,3 cm. -
Blattgröße 54,3 x 67,0 cm<br>
Richtiger Künstlername: "Gottlob Steinkopf"<br>
<br>
In Marc 21-Feldern in Auswahl<br>
</span><br>
<span style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt;">100 1 $aEmminger,
Eberhard$d1808-1885$eLithografIn$4ltg<br>
245 14$aDas königliche Landhaus Rosenstein$hObjekt$bvom
Würtembergischen Kunst-Verein$cgemalt von Gustav
Steinkopf ; Gedr. v. G. Küstner ; Auf Stein gez. v. E.
Emminger<br>
260 3 $a[Stuttgart]$bKüstner$c[1835?]<br>
300 $a1 Lithographie$c46,3 x 60,3 cm. - Blattgröße 54,3
x 67,0 cm<br>
500 $aRichtiger Künstlername: "Gottlob Steinkopf"<br>
700 1 $aSteinkopf, Gottlob Friedrich$eKünstlerIn$4art<br>
700 1 $aKüstner, Gottfried$eDruckerIn$4prt</span></span><br>
<br>
</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">
Die falsche Namensform "</span><span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Steinkopf, </span></span><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Gustav</span></span></span>"
würde ich im Normsatz unterbringen. <br>
<br>
Was die Palmer/Currier-Lithografie angeht müsste nach den </span><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_diagnostic"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_format_d"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_isbd"><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-ibw_expanded"> DCRM(G)</span></span></span></span></span>
genauso verfahren werden<br>
<br>
Palmer, F. (Fanny), 1812-1876,<br>
Woodcock shooting. [graphic] / From nature and on stone by
F.F. Palmer. ; Lith. of N. Currier N.Y. <br>
</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Publication date: 1852</span></span><span
style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://catalog.mwa.org/vwebv/holdingsInfo?bibId=391323">http://catalog.mwa.org/vwebv/holdingsInfo?bibId=391323</a><br>
<br>
Und im Staff view:</span><br>
<ul>
<li class="ox-3299ccb251-dataField"><label
class="ox-3299ccb251-tagLabel">100</label><label
class="ox-3299ccb251-tagLabel2">1_</label><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-fieldText"> |<span
class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">a</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">Palmer, F.</span>
|<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">q</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">(Fanny),</span>
|<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">d</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">1812-1876,</span>
|<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">e</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">lithographer.</span></span></li>
<li class="ox-3299ccb251-dataField"><label
class="ox-3299ccb251-tagLabel">245</label><label
class="ox-3299ccb251-tagLabel2">10</label><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-fieldText"> |<span
class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">a</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">Woodcock
shooting.</span> |<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">h</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">[graphic] /</span>
|<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">c</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">From nature and
on stone by F.F. Palmer. ; Lith. of N. Currier N.Y.</span></span></li>
<li class="ox-3299ccb251-dataField"><label
class="ox-3299ccb251-tagLabel">700</label><label
class="ox-3299ccb251-tagLabel2">16</label><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-fieldText"> |<span
class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">a</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">Palmer, F.</span>
|<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">q</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">(Fanny),</span>
|<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">d</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">1812-1876,</span>
|<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">e</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">illustrator.</span></span></li>
<li class="ox-3299ccb251-dataField"><label
class="ox-3299ccb251-tagLabel">700</label><label
class="ox-3299ccb251-tagLabel2">16</label><span
class="ox-3299ccb251-fieldText"> |<span
class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">a</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">Currier,
Nathaniel,</span> |<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">d</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">1813-1888,</span>
|<span class="ox-3299ccb251-boldit">e</span> <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-subfieldMarcData">lithographer.</span></span></li>
</ul>
<span style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">Im der
von Ihnen zitierten Angabe aus dem Toolkit ist lediglich das
E-Jahr wegen der weitgehend entbehr- und unsäglichen
Copyright-Regel in </span><span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"><span style="font-family:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;">[]-Klammer </span>gesetzt.
(Kann jemand erklären, warum das Jahr hinter (c) nicht das
E-Jahr sein soll?)<br>
<br>
(Mit dem Kitsch von Herrn Moore sollte man sich besser nicht
näher befassen ...)<br>
<br>
Die Frage, ob die "künstlerische[n] Übersetzungen eines
Gemäldes in ein druckgraphisches Bild – nicht als bloße
Wiedergabe, sondern als eine zweite Erscheinungsform des
Kunstwerks" <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://books.google.de/books?id=QYTJBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA121#v=onepage&q&f=false">https://books.google.de/books?id=QYTJBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA121#v=onepage&q&f=false</a>
angesehen werden können, sollten die Kolleginnen der Kunst-
und Museumsbibliotheken beantworten.<br>
<br>
Ich möchte aber fragen, ob es denn wirklich so ist, dass RDA
so unflexibel ausgelegt werden muss, dass <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-bold">die Beziehungskennzeichnungen
Lithograf</span> oder Stecher nur für sonstige Personen
benutzt werden dürfen?<br>
<br>
Worauf bezieht sich der Absatz in RDA 19.2.1.1?:<br>
<br>
In einigen Fällen verändert die Modifizierung eines zuvor
bestehenden Werks die Art oder den Inhalt des Originals
substantiell und führt zu einem neuen Werk. Wenn das der
Fall ist, wird die Person, die Familie oder die
Körperschaft, die für die Modifizierung des zuvor
bestehenden Werks verantwortlich ist, als geistiger Schöpfer
des neuen Werks angesehen. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/rdachp19_rda19-403.html">http://access.rdatoolkit.org/rdachp19_rda19-403.html</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
<br>
Gerd Witte<br>
Evang.-luth. Oberkirchenrat, Bibliothek<br>
Philosophenweg 1<br>
26121 Oldenburg</span><br>
<br>
Anhang:<br>
<br>
Das Gemälde ist von Gottlob Friedrich Steinkopf <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd142817481.html">https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/pnd142817481.html</a>)
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="http://digitalesammlungen.uni-weimar.de/viewer/image/PPN623587556/299/"><http://digitalesammlungen.uni-weimar.de/viewer/image/PPN623587556/299/></a>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="http://digitalesammlungen.uni-weimar.de/viewer/image/PPN623587556/301/"><http://digitalesammlungen.uni-weimar.de/viewer/image/PPN623587556/301/></a>
(die Vorlage von <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=356825272&INDEXSET=1"><http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=356825272&INDEXSET=1></a>
ist Schefold 8666<br>
(Schefold 8667 Variante: mit berichtigtem Künstlernamen
»Gottlob Steinkopf«)<br>
<br>
Gemälde von Steinkopf:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Gottlob_Friedrich_Steinkopf,_010.jpg">https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Gottlob_Friedrich_Steinkopf,_010.jpg</a><br>
<br>
Die Lithografie hier:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://pictures.abebooks.com/KOENITZ/16811876058.jpg">http://pictures.abebooks.com/KOENITZ/16811876058.jpg</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/filegroups/steikoni_356825272/max/00000001.jpg">http://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/filegroups/steikoni_356825272/max/00000001.jpg</a><br>
<br>
Am 18.03.2017 um 22:01 schrieb Heidrun Wiesenmüller:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>I remember that we discussed the position of "lithographer"
in appendix I a little while ago, but now I have a different
question (or rather, questions) with respect to
lithographers.</p>
<p>The definition in the appendix at I.4.1 is:<br>
"lithographer: An agent involved in manufacturing a
manifestation by preparing a stone or plate for lithographic
printing.<br>
A lithographer includes a graphic artist creating a design
directly on the surface from which printing will be done."</p>
<p>In the second case mentioned, I think the lithographer must
needs also be the creator of the work (assuming that the
litographer in this case draws his or her own design). But
what about cases when the lithographer uses a painting done
by somebody else and transfers this on the stone?</p>
<p>Here is an example:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="ox-3299ccb251-moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/purl/bsz356825272/page/1">http://digital.wlb-stuttgart.de/purl/bsz356825272/page/1</a><br>
</p>
<p>The small text underneath the picture reads:<br>
"Gemalt von Gustav Steinkopf" (painted by Gustav Steinkopf)<br>
"Gedr. v. G. Küstner" (printed by G. Küstner)<br>
"Auf Stein gez. v. E. Emminger" (drawn on stone by E.
Emminger)<br>
</p>
<p>Until very recently, I would have thought that Steinkopf as
the original painter is also the creator of the lithograph,
and that Emminger as the lithographer has a relationship to
the manifestation only (because that's where the
relationship designator "lithographer" is listed). But now
I'm no longer sure.</p>
<p>I don't know a lot about lithography, but obviously a
lithograph is not simply a copy of the original. Even if the
contours are replicated exactly (e.g. by the help of a
projection of the original), the toning is certainly
achieved differently. So, I think that the version on the
stone must at least be a new expression of the original
work. But then, shouldn't the lithographer have a
relationship on expression level instead of manifestation
level?</p>
<p>I'm also confused by this example given at 21.6.1.3:<br>
</p>
<p>Currier, Nathaniel, 1813–1888 <br>
Authorized access point representing the lithographer for: <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-NotEmphasis"> Woodcock shooting /
from nature and on stone by F.F. Palmer ; lith. of N.
Currier N.Y. — New York : Currier & Ives, [1852].</span>
A lithograph</p>
<p>What exactly was the function of Currier here? He didnt't
do the drawing on stone, because that was done by Palmer
(who is not listed as a lithographer, although this might
have been expected according to the definition). So did
Currier merely have technical responsibilities, like
applying the necessary solution after the image was drawn?
Or does it mean that he produced the copies from the
lithographic stone (but then, wouldn't he be a printer)?<br>
</p>
<p>There is also a lithography example for an authorized
access point at 6.27.1.8 (Works of Uncertain or Unknown
Origin):</p>
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-Exampleentry"
id="ox-3299ccb251-rda6-6837">
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-simplesect"
id="ox-3299ccb251-rda6-6838">
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-para"
id="ox-3299ccb251-rda6-11056">Summer night</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-footnotes">
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-footnote"
id="ox-3299ccb251-rda6-6839">
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-footnote-text">
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-para"
id="ox-3299ccb251-rda6-6840">Resource described: <span
class="ox-3299ccb251-NotEmphasis">Summer night.</span>
An anonymous lithograph of a painting by Albert Moore<br>
<br>
This implies that the lithograph is not an expression
of the original painting (because Albert Moore is not
a part of the access point), but rather a new work,
whose creator we do not know. But wouldn't that mean
that *every* lithograph based on an existing painting
is automatically a new work, and the person who's
drawn the image on stone (whom I would have called a
lithographer) is a creator?<br>
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A lithograph might be a new work according to RDA
6.27.1.5: "If an adaptation or revision of an existing
work substantially changes the nature and content of
that work, treat the adaptation or revision as a new
work."<br>
<br>
There is indeed an example from the arts in this
instruction:<br>
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<div class="ox-3299ccb251-Exampleentry"
id="ox-3299ccb251-rda6-6732">
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-simplesect"
id="ox-3299ccb251-rda6-6733">
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-para"
id="ox-3299ccb251-rda6-6734">Sartain, John,
1808–1897. Artist’s dream</div>
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<div class="ox-3299ccb251-footnote"
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<div class="ox-3299ccb251-footnote-text">
<div class="ox-3299ccb251-para"
id="ox-3299ccb251-rda6-6736">An engraving by
Sartain based on an original painting by
George H. Comegys</div>
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<p>So do both engravings and lithographs "substantially change
the nature and content" of the original work? But if this is
the case, then why are engravers and lithographers listed at
I.4, and not at I.2.1, together with other creators?</p>
<p>Sorry for asking so many questions. But I've got the weird
feeling of walking in circles. Either I simply don't get it
(maybe because of my inedaquate knowledge of the techniques
involved), or there is something of a muddle here...<br>
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<p>Any insights are highly appreciated!</p>
<p>Heidrun<br>
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