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Sehr Herr Lowisch,<br>
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vielen Dank für Ihre Hinweise.<br>
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Ich war tatsächlich "so wild":<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gso.gbv.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=090006690">https://gso.gbv.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=090006690</a><br>
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Der Apparat hat dies im großen und ganzen ungerührt
angenommen.Natürlich ist die Frage ob das Sinn macht (bei Lk 2,1-10
fand ich schon)<br>
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Das aktuelle GBV-Handbuch sieht übrigens keine Einschränkung vor
(wenn ich nichts übersehen habe)<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://swbtools.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/help.pl?cmd=kat&val=1500&regelwerk=RDA&verbund=GBV">http://swbtools.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/help.pl?cmd=kat&val=1500&regelwerk=RDA&verbund=GBV</a><br>
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wo steht:<br>
<br>
"mul" wird ab 4 Sprachen angegeben<br>
<br>
Die Frage wäre aber tatsächlich, ob das den Regeln entspricht.<br>
<br>
Ich finde, wenn diejenigen die uns RDA eingebrockt haben die Regel
nach eigenem Gusto anwenden, sollte dies auch kommuniziert werden.<br>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Gerd Witte
Evang.-luth. Oberkirchenrat
Bibliothek
Philosophenweg 1
26121 Oldenburg
Telefon: 0441 7701-145
Fax: 0441 7701-2199
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<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Lieber Herr Witte,<br>
<br>
ein interessantes Thema haben Sie da angeschnitten. Als ich Ihre
Frage<br>
las, kam mir spontan die Idee, es könnte technische Gründe haben.
Ging ich<br>
jedoch davon aus, dass sich Begrenzungen im Format primär aus
MARC21 als<br>
Austauschformat ergeben, wurde ich in dieser Hinsicht
"enttäuscht". So<br>
heißt es zu 041 in der MARC-Dokumentation:<br>
<br>
"For works in multiple languages, the codes for<br>
the languages of the text are recorded in the<br>
order of their predominance in the text. If no<br>
language is predominant, the codes are recorded<br>
in English alphabetical order. If the cataloging<br>
institution has chosen to code mul (Multiple<br>
languages) in 008/35-37, the code for the title<br>
(or the first title, if there are more than one)<br>
and the code mul are recorded. Alternatively,<br>
any number of specific language codes may be<br>
recorded in repeating occurrences of subfield<br>
$a." [1]<br>
<br>
Grundsätzlich lässt sich also eine unbegrenzte Anzahl an
Sprachcodes<br>
erfassen. Erhellender ist da schon der Hinweis auf die
katalogisierende<br>
Institution. Irgendwo muss also geregelt sein, nach wie vielen
Sprachen<br>
Schluss ist. Sieht man sich die einzelnen Verbünde an, wird dies
ganz<br>
unterschiedlich gehandhabt. Beim BSZ heißt es großzügig: "Pro
Unterfeld<br>
können 30 Sprachcodes vergeben werden." [2] Der GBV verpflichtet
den<br>
Katalogisierer zu drei Sprachen und stellt ihm weitere anheim. [3]
Alle<br>
anderen Verbünde und die DNB legen dagegen die Daumenschrauben an,
wenn es<br>
um sprachliche Vielfalt geht. Der BVB erlaubt ihnen noch fünf
Sprachen,[4]<br>
das hbz [5] und die DNB nur noch drei [6]. Dann gibt es wieder<br>
Unterschiede, ob der Code nur "mul" lauten soll oder die Sprachen
bis zur<br>
erlaubten Höchstgrenze angegeben werden dürfen.<br>
<br>
Mein Fazit: Hier handelt es sich um eine beliebige Festlegung der<br>
einzelnen Verbünde, die vermutlich den Katalogisierungsvorgang
effizienter<br>
machen soll. Inwiefern sich das mit den RDA verträgt, sollten die
Verbünde<br>
jedoch überlegen, immerhin handelt es sich um ein Kernelement,
welches<br>
durch "Hausregeln" eigentlich nicht eingeschränkt werden dürfte.<br>
Möglicherweise wurde hier bei der Einführung von RDA also etwas
übersehen.<br>
Sofern nicht, wäre die Rückmeldung eines Verantwortlichen
hilfreich. Wenn<br>
Sie, lieber Herr Witte, also einmal ganz wild sein wollen,
erfassen Sie im<br>
Sinne des "Radical Cataloging" einfach alle Sprachen und warten
ab, was<br>
passiert. ;-)<br>
<br>
Mit den besten Grüßen aus Münster<br>
Maximilian Lowisch<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">[1]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html">https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html</a><br>
[2]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://swbtools.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/help.pl?cmd=kat&val=1500&regelwerk=RDA&verbund=SWB">http://swbtools.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/help.pl?cmd=kat&val=1500&regelwerk=RDA&verbund=SWB</a><br>
[3]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.gbv.de/vgm/info/mitglieder/02Verbund/01Erschliessung/02Richtlinien/01KatRicht/1500.pdf">https://www.gbv.de/vgm/info/mitglieder/02Verbund/01Erschliessung/02Richtlinien/01KatRicht/1500.pdf</a><br>
[4] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bib-bvb.de/web/kkb-online/rda-was-tun-wenn">http://www.bib-bvb.de/web/kkb-online/rda-was-tun-wenn</a><br>
[5]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki1.hbz-nrw.de/download/attachments/72253485/Einzelne_felder_titel.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1430384537662">https://wiki1.hbz-nrw.de/download/attachments/72253485/Einzelne_felder_titel.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1430384537662</a><br>
[6]
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.dnb.de/download/attachments/110101694/1500.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=1467962570000&api=v2">https://wiki.dnb.de/download/attachments/110101694/1500.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=1467962570000&api=v2</a><br>
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Maximilian Lowisch, M.A.<br>
Universitäts- und Landesbibliothek Münster<br>
Dez. Medienbearbeitung Abt. Sacherschließung<br>
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Krummer Timpen 3<br>
48143 Münster<br>
Tel: 0251 / 83-24057<br>
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lowisch@uni-muenster.de">lowisch@uni-muenster.de</a><br>
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Am 21.10.16 17:14 schrieb "<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rda-info-liste-bounces@lists.dnb.de">rda-info-liste-bounces@lists.dnb.de</a> on
behalf<br>
of <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rda-info-liste@lists.dnb.de">rda-info-liste@lists.dnb.de</a>" unter
<<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rda-info-liste-bounces@lists.dnb.de">rda-info-liste-bounces@lists.dnb.de</a><br>
on behalf of <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rda-info-liste@lists.dnb.de">rda-info-liste@lists.dnb.de</a>>:<br>
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>Liebe Kolleginnen,<br>
><br>
>in DNB Aufnahmen aber auch anderswo wird der Sprachcode
"Mehrere<br>
>Sprachen (mul) " vergeben:<br>
><br>
><a
href="https://deref-gmx.net/mail/client/XAmaToAq7gg/dereferrer/?redirectUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fportal.dnb.de%2Fopac.htm%3Fmethod%3DshowNextResultSite%26currentResultId%3Ds"
target="_blank">https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=showNextResultSite&currentResultId=s</a><br>
>pr%3Dmul+and+cod%3Drda%26any&currentPosition=0<br>
><br>
>In den Regeln steht:<br>
><br>
><a
href="https://deref-gmx.net/mail/client/UMfoPls8oyI/dereferrer/?redirectUrl=http%3A%2F%2Faccess.rdatoolkit.org%2Frdachp6-de_rda6-3526.html"
target="_blank">http://access.rdatoolkit.org/rdachp6-de_rda6-3526.html</a><br>
><br>
>6.11.1.4<br>
>Expressionen, die mehrere Sprachen enthalten<br>
>Wenn eine einzelne Expression eines Werks mehrere Sprachen
umfasst,<br>
>erfassen Sie jede Sprache.<br>
><br>
>In der Liste mit den normierten Sprachbezeichnungen nach ISO
639-2 gibt<br>
>es die Sprachbezeichnung "polyglott mul"<br>
><br>
>Wann kann ein Sprachcode "Mehrere Sprachen (mul)" vergeben
werden? Gibt<br>
>es irgendwo Regeln dafür?<br>
><br>
>Wer weiss Rat?<br>
><br>
>-- <br>
>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br>
><br>
>Gerd Witte<br>
><br>
><br>
>Evang.-luth. Oberkirchenrat<br>
>Bibliothek<br>
>Philosophenweg 1<br>
>26121 Oldenburg<br>
>Telefon: 0441 7701-145<br>
>Fax: 0441 7701-2199<br>
><br>
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