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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
        sans-serif">Liebe Frau Wiesenm&uuml;ller, lieber Herr Eversberg<font
          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">,</font><br>
        <br>
        <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">n</font>achdem die
        Rollen unter Ihnen beiden nun (wie ich finde richtig) verteilt
        sind, ein paar S&auml;tze zur Normierung von Verlagen und generell
        zur Relevanz von A-Aspekten aus meiner Perspektive:<br>
        <br>
        <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Wir arbeiten in
          unserer Bibliothek mit einem Bibliothekssystem, das schon seit
          geraumer Ze<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">it die
            Option bietet, "Normdatens&auml;tze" f&uuml;r Verlage anzule<font
              face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">gen.<br>
              <br>
              <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Manche Anwender
                des Systems tun das, wir <font face="Helvetica, Arial,
                  sans-serif">tun es nicht. Witziger Weise gibt<font
                    face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> es dann sogar
                    noch eine dritte Gruppe, die Normdatens&auml;tze f&uuml;r
                    Verlage erfasst und dann noch zus&auml;tzlich die
                    Vorlageform erfasst, um RAK-gerecht zu <font
                      face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">bleiben.<br>
                      <br>
                      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">(Wir
                        missbrauchen in unserer Praxis in gewisser Weise
                        die Strukturen des Systems, indem wir in
                        Normdatens&auml;tzen Vorlageformen erfassen ...)</font><br>
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                      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Ein
                        Regelwerk hat, wie Frau Wiesenm&uuml;ller ja schon
                        angedeutet hat, auch viel mit<font
                          face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> der Frage
                          des Katalogisierungsaufwandes zu tun. Und ich
                          denke, dass auch die Existenz <font
                            face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">von drei
                            verschiedenen Anwendungsweisen unseres
                            Bibliothekssystems letztlich von
                            unterschiedlichen Einsch&auml;tzungen des
                            angebrachten Aufwandes abgeleitet ist.<br>
                            <br>
                            <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Das
                              Problem r&uuml;hrt ja nun &uuml;berhaupt erst daher,
                              dass, wie Herr Eversberg angemerkt hat,</font>
                            ein Datenfeld, das vom Regelwerk mit Blick
                            auf den Kartenkatalog als Vorlagefeld
                            gedacht war nun im ED<font face="Helvetica,
                              Arial, sans-serif">V-Kontext pl&ouml;tzlich
                              suchbar wir<font face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                sans-serif">d. Wir machen im Grunde zwei
                                verschiedene Dinge mit demselben Feld,
                                was ein massiver Versto&szlig; gegen alle
                                Grunds&auml;tze der Datenmodellierung in
                                Datenbanksystemen ist.<br>
                                <br>
                                <font face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                  sans-serif">Das Beispiel an sich mag
                                  nicht besonders <font
                                    face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">bedeutungsvoll
                                    sein, aber es belegt H<font
                                      face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                      sans-serif">errn Eversbergs These,
                                      dass es ein riesiges Vers&auml;umnis
                                      seitheriger Regelwerke ist (das
                                      man aber nat&uuml;rlich problemlos
                                      geschichtlich erkl&auml;ren kann), dass
                                      sie dem A-Aspekt im EDV-Kontext
                                      viel zu wenig Bedeutung schenken.
                                      (Dem A-Aspekt im
                                      Noch-nicht-EDV-Kontext haben sie
                                      dagegen ganz selbstverst&auml;ndlich
                                      Bedeutung geschenkt durch die
                                      Definition umfangreicher und
                                      exakter Sortierregeln.) Man muss
                                      sich&nbsp; ja nur einmal vor Augen
                                      halten, dass die ganze Masse von
                                      Normdatens&auml;tzen, die aus unserer
                                      heutigen Katalogisierungspraxis
                                      &uuml;berhaupt nicht mehr weg zu denken
                                      sind</font></font></font>, quasi
                                am Regelwerk vorbei entstanden sind. Die
                                RAK kennen keine Norms&auml;tze, sondern
                                gehen davon aus, dass eine
                                Verweisungsform auf ein K&auml;rtchen
                                geschrieben wird, auf dem dann
                                zus&auml;tzlich steht "<font face="Helvetica,
                                  Arial, sans-serif">s</font>.
                                Ansetzungsform".<br>
                                <br>
                                <font face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                  sans-serif">Auch ich denke, dass RDA
                                  in dieser Hinsicht reichlich
                                  unausgegoren sind. Man hat zwar mit
                                  den "re<font face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                    sans-serif">lations<font
                                      face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                      sans-serif">" ein gedankliches
                                      Konstrukt geschaffen, dass sehr
                                      vie<font face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                        sans-serif">l, um nicht zu sagen
                                        alles m&ouml;glich machen kann, blei<font
                                          face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                          sans-serif">bt aber unklar,
                                          wie die technische Umsetzung
                                          auszusehen h&auml;tte.<br>
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                                          <font face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                            sans-serif">Die A-Aspekte,
                                            um diesen Terminus
                                            aufzugreifen, kommen auch in
                                            dem neuen Regelwerk
                                            entschieden zu kurz.</font><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <font face="Helvetica, Arial,
                                            sans-serif">Nach meiner
                                            &Uuml;berzeugung sollte es nicht
                                            - wie bisher - den
                                            Technikern und
                                            Programmierern &uuml;berlassen
                                            sein, wie man was in unseren
                                            Katalogen finden kann,
                                            sondern es ist eine
                                            bibliothekarisc<font
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                                              (Kern!)-Aufgabe, das zu
                                              regeln. Man hat ja zu
                                              Zeiten des Kartenkataloges
                                              die Sortierregeln auch ni<font
                                                face="Helvetica, Arial,
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                                                Herstellern von
                                                Karteischr&auml;nken
                                                &uuml;berlassen ... ;-)</font><br>
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                                              <font face="Helvetica,
                                                Arial, sans-serif">Wenn
                                                Verlage als Beispiel
                                                ungeeignet sein sollten,
                                                weil man sich hier
                                                fragen darf, o<font
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                                                  sie &uuml;berhaupt als
                                                  Suchaspekt von
                                                  nennenswerter
                                                  Bedeutung sind</font></font>,
                                              so wenden wir uns als
                                              Beispiel einem anderen
                                              Element zu, bei dem diese
                                              Frage unzweifelhaft ist,
                                              den Personennamen.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <font face="Helvetica,
                                                Arial, sans-serif">Die
                                                technisch<font
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                                                  Kernfrage, die sich in
                                                  der Praxis heutiger
                                                  Bibliothekssysteme vor
                                                  allem abzeichnet, ist:
                                                  Phrasen- oder
                                                  Stichwortindexierung?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <font face="Helvetica,
                                                    Arial, sans-serif">Es
                                                    ist durchaus fasz<font
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                                                      zu sehen, welche
                                                      Bandbreite an
                                                      technische<font
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                                                        L&ouml;sung<font
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                                                          hier zu
                                                          beobachten
                                                          ist,
                                                          unabh&auml;ngig von
                                                          Preis und
                                                          Gr&ouml;&szlig;e der
                                                          verschiedenen
                                                          Systeme.
                                                          Selbst
                                                          identische
                                                          Syst<font
                                                          face="Helvetica,
                                                          Arial,
                                                          sans-serif">eme
                                                          bieten in der
                                                          konkreten
                                                          Anwendung
                                                          verschiedene
                                                          L&ouml;sungsans&auml;tze,
                                                          d<font
                                                          face="Helvetica,
                                                          Arial,
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                                                          sp&auml;testens
                                                          beim
                                                          Zusammenspiel
                                                          solcher
                                                          Systeme in
                                                          einem
                                                          Meta-Katalog
                                                          wie dem KVK <font
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                                                          erstaunliche
                                                          und
                                                          keinesfalls
                                                          w&uuml;nschenswerte
                                                          "Nebenwirkungen"
                                                          haben.</font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
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                                                  <font face="Helvetica,
                                                    Arial, sans-serif">Es
                                                    w&uuml;rde <font
                                                      face="Helvetica,
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                                                      zu weit f&uuml;hren,
                                                      die verschiedenen
                                                      Aspekte und
                                                      gewollten und
                                                      ungewollten
                                                      Nebenwirkungen der
                                                      unterschiedlichen
                                                      technischen
                                                      Umsetzung hier zu
                                                      diskutieren, aber
                                                      das Beispiel mag
                                                      hoffentlich
                                                      verdeutlichen, was
                                                      ich damit meine,
                                                      wenn ich sage,
                                                      dass wir die
                                                      Auffindbarkeit
                                                      unserer Daten den
                                                      Programmierern
                                                      &uuml;berlassen.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <font
                                                        face="Helvetica,
                                                        Arial,
                                                        sans-serif">Es
                                                        mag nat&uuml;rlich
                                                        sein, dass an
                                                        den
                                                        entsprechenden
                                                        Entscheidungen
                                                        in der
                                                        Systementwicklung
                                                        und
                                                        -konfiguration
                                                        auch
                                                        BibliothekarInnen
                                                        beteiligt waren,
                                                        aber
                                                        offensichtlich
                                                        war diese
                                                        Beteiligung
                                                        immer punktuell
                                                        und hat einmal
                                                        zu diesem und
                                                        einmal zu jenem
                                                        Ergebnis
                                                        gef&uuml;hrt.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <font
                                                          face="Helvetica,
                                                          Arial,
                                                          sans-serif">Wir
                                                          gr&uuml;nden
                                                          Kommissionen
                                                          und
                                                          Arbeitsgruppen,
                                                          um
                                                          einheitliche <font
                                                          face="Helvetica,
                                                          Arial,
                                                          sans-serif">Katalog<font
                                                          face="Helvetica,
                                                          Arial,
                                                          sans-serif">isierungsregeln
                                                          zu entwickeln,
                                                          etablieren ein
                                                          gewaltiges
                                                          globales
                                                          b&uuml;rokratisches
                                                          Redaktionsverfahren,
                                                          um die
                                                          weltweite
                                                          einheitliche
                                                          Katalogisierung
                                                          zu erreichen
                                                          und &uuml;berlassen
                                                          die alles
                                                          entscheidende
                                                          Frage der
                                                          Auffindbarkeit
                                                          und damit der
                                                          Nutzung der
                                                          mit gr&ouml;&szlig;tem
                                                          Aufwand
                                                          erfassten
                                                          Daten
                                                          weitgehend <font
                                                          face="Helvetica,
                                                          Arial,
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                                                          Zufall, der
                                                          einzelnen
                                                          cataloging
                                                          agency, einer
                                                          Bibliothekssoftwarefirma
                                                          oder wem auch
                                                          imm<font
                                                          face="Helvetica,
                                                          Arial,
                                                          sans-serif">er</font></font>.</font></font></font><br>
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        Am 08.01.2014 17:04, schrieb Heidrun Wiesenm&uuml;ller:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:52CD770F.4020900@hdm-stuttgart.de" type="cite"><font
        face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Lieber Herr Eversberg,
        <br>
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      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
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      <blockquote type="cite"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">F&uuml;r
          den Verlag
          <br>
          immerhin hatte man im RAK2-Umfeld schon die Einf&uuml;hrung einer
          <br>
          zus&auml;tzlichen normierten Namensform angedacht, denn anders ist
          da
          <br>
          kein verl&auml;&szlig;licher Zugriff zu schaffen. Die Altdaten allerdings
          <br>
          sind eben Kraut und R&uuml;ben. In DublinCore u.a. gab es auch
          schon die
          <br>
          Vorstellung einer URI f&uuml;r die Verlagsangabe. Die RDA-Praxis
          ist
          <br>
          von Normierung an der Stelle weit entfernt.
          <br>
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      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
        W&uuml;rde ich so nicht sehen. In RDA gibt es zum einen ein Element
        f&uuml;r den Verlagsnamen als Merkmal der Manifestation (also im
        Bereich Beschreibung) und zum anderen die M&ouml;glichkeit, eine
        Beziehung zum (vulgo: Eintragung unter) Verlag anzulegen. Gem&auml;&szlig;
        der normalen Regeln f&uuml;r solche Beziehungen macht man das
        entweder &uuml;ber einen Identifier (z.B. die Identnummer eines
        Normsatzes) oder man erfasst den Authorized Access Point
        (entspricht ungef&auml;hr der Ansetzungsform) f&uuml;r den Verlag.
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      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
        Klar brauchen wir dann auch noch Normdaten f&uuml;r alle Verlage, und
        nat&uuml;rlich w&auml;re es zus&auml;tzlicher Aufwand, in jedem Fall die
        Beziehung anzulegen. Aber abgedeckt ist es durch RDA
        tats&auml;chlich.
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      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
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      <blockquote type="cite"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Also
          warum tun Sie sich das an, daf&uuml;r ein Lehrbuch zu schreiben,
          <br>
          mal ein ganz klein wenig &uuml;berspitzt gefragt. Es ist bereits
          &uuml;berholt.
          <br>
          Schreiben Sie einen wegweisenden, unbek&uuml;mmerten Text frei vom
          Staub der
          <br>
          Jahrhunderte, "Katalogisierung im 21. Jahrhundert - ein
          Tagtraum".
          <br>
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      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
        Das &uuml;berlasse ich gerne Ihnen ;-)
        <br>
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      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
        Ich habe zwar auch viele Tr&auml;ume in Sachen Erschlie&szlig;ung (und
        tr&auml;ume gelegentlich auch gerne &ouml;ffentlich), aber mein Job
        besteht halt prim&auml;r darin, Katalogisierung zu lehren. Das kann
        ich schlecht unter Ignorierung des jeweils g&uuml;ltigen Regelwerks
        tun. Und da scheint es mir dann nicht auch ganz so abseitig, ein
        Lehrbuch daf&uuml;r zu schreiben.
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      <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
        Viele Gr&uuml;&szlig;e
        <br>
        Heidrun Wiesenm&uuml;ller
        <br>
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